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Peace,

There are two questions that the Muslims are always asked, do we believe in Jesus, and what is the difference between Jesus Christ and Jesus?

My answers to the two questions are Yes, we believe in Jesus and all of the Prophets and Messengers of God, and to explain the difference between Jesus Christ and Jesus let's begin with the meaning of the name Jesus Christ.

The name "Jesus" means "Justice," and the name "Christ" means "Crusher," annointed to come at the end of the world to crush wickedness. Many say they believe that Jesus and God are one and the same because their Preacher or their Bible says so. But the Jesus that we read about in Bible scriptures, though he was a great man and performed miracles, was "not" the Christ to come and destroy wickedness, at this world's end.

"Jesus Christ" is Allah (God). The "Jesus" of some two thousand years ago was simply a Prophet of God. If the Jesus Christ of two thousand years ago was "God," the one who was to come and crush wickedness and instead, was crushed by wickedness, is to show he was out of step with time.

Timing is everything. Life is time and time is life, we can't have one without the other. If we lose time, we lose life, and if we lose life, we lose time.

Again, Jesus was just Jesus, a Prophet of God. Christ is the Mighty One, The Supreme Being, Allah (God).

Who is Allah - He who has the most knowledge, wisdom, understanding and POWER!!!

Peace!

Posted By: Siebra Muhammad
Saturday, December 29th 2012 at 4:35PM
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VERY INTERESTING ,,,JESUS CHRIST HUMMMM ! THE CHRIST ~! LET ME SEE I WAS JUST READING ABOUT THAT SOME WHERE !
Saturday, December 29th 2012 at 4:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON

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Saturday, December 29th 2012 at 4:45PM
Siebra Muhammad

good info babygirl
Saturday, December 29th 2012 at 7:53PM
Kemetria 'Kim' Smith

Siebra, leaving aside the Christ, Jesus is the same name as Joshua. They both mean Savior. There is a connection between Joshua of the Old Testament, and Jesus of the New Testament. What is the connection between Jesus and Isa Ibn Maryam (hope I got that right)?
Sunday, December 30th 2012 at 4:47PM
Steve Williams

I am going to inject some info on this topic and see what the feed back looks like there are actually some 200 gospels, epistles and other ancient documents concerning the life of Jesus Christ. Writing such material was a popular literary form, particularly in the 2nd century. The pious fantasies competed with Greek romantic fiction. Political considerations in the late 2nd century led to the selection of just four approved gospels and the rejection of others. After three centuries of wrangling 23 other books were accepted by the Church as divinely inspired. The rest were declared 'pious frauds'. In truth, the whole lot belongs to a genre of literary FICTION.

Would the Christians lie? They said it themselves – lying for God! And non-Christian testimony? – from the authentic pen of lying Christian scribes! Would the early believers have died for a lie? Consider the evidence for that supposed "persecution" – Holy Mother Church invented heroic origins!

Laugh or cry? The pork salesman who became England's patron saint - the fabrication of "Saint George". Shrouded in deceit – Leonardo da Vinci's Last Laugh. How a sacrilegious 'sorcerer' outwitted the priests!

Aelia Capitolina – Imposing the Christian Dreamscape on the city of Hadrian. A Jesus miracle at Siloam? – Negating Jewish magic. A Jesus miracle at Bethesda? – Stealing the magic of Asclepius!

Via Dolorosa – The Way of Sorrow? Jerusalem's bogus pilgrim trail. The Sepulchres of Deceit – empty tombs and empty tales of Nicodemus and Arimathea. The empty tombs of Jesus – vacuous nonsense.

Did Jesus really "raise" anyone? Waking the Dead?
Resurrection fairy tale: A Risen Lord?
Who saw what when? Encounter at Emmaus?
Does a word of it make sense?

Declared fake – Official! The "James Ossuary". How an Israeli entrepreneur outwitted the 'experts'.
Sunday, December 30th 2012 at 5:27PM
DAVID JOHNSON

The connection between Jesus and Isa are that Isa is the Arabic name that the Quran uses to refer to Jesus. The Quran teaches that Jesus died of old age, contrary to what the Bible states.

In the Bible it only speaks of Jesus first stage of early life (birth to 33 years), however in the Quran the accounts of his life extends onward into his fifties, and in his fifties he begins to decline towards old age.
Sunday, December 30th 2012 at 5:54PM
Siebra Muhammad

P.S. The name "Isa" is the Arabic name for Jesus. "Ibn" simply means "son of". The name "Maryam" is the Arabic name for Mary (the mother of Jesus).

Wording together, "Isa ibn Maryam" in Arabic, translates to "Jesus the son of Mary."
Sunday, December 30th 2012 at 5:57PM
Siebra Muhammad

Okay, even for a linguist this is confusing.

Etymology

See also: Jesus in Islam
The English form of the name "Jesus" is derived from the Latin Iēsus, which in turn comes from the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iēsoûs). The Greek is a Hellenized form of the Hebrew/Aramaic name Yēšua (ישוע), which is in turn a shortened form of Hebrew Yehōšua (יהושע) or "Joshua" in English.[1] There is a major discrepancy between the Hebrew/Aramaic and Muslim Arabic forms of this name, since the original Hebrew form of this name has the voiced pharyngeal `Ayin ע or `Ayn ع consonant at the end of the name (as does Christian Arabic يسوع yasūʿ), while the Muslim Arabic form عيسى `īsā has the `Ayn at the beginning of the name. For this reason, some (such as Ahmed Deedat) state the Arabic name Isa is related to the Biblical name Esau (which begins with a pharyngeal); it is also similar in the vowels to the Aramaic version of Jesus, viz. Eeshoʿ (Aramaic forms of the name, however, still have the voiced pharyngeal `Ayn consonant at the end of the name).[2]
The Encyclopaedia of the Qurʼān states that Western scholars have been puzzled by the use of ʿĪsā in the Qur'an because they were convinced that his authentic name is Yēshūaʿ. They have proposed a number of explanations. One explanation given is that in ancient Mesopotamia divine names were written in one way and pronounced in another. Thus it is possible for borrowed words to have their consonants reversed. Another explanation is that Muhammad adopted Isa from the polemical Jewish form Esau. However, there is no evidence that the Jews have ever used Esau to refer to Jesus, and if Muhammad had unwittingly adopted a pejorative form his many Christian acquaintances would have corrected him. A third explanation is that the Qur'an used this form to assimilate Jesus's name with Moses, or Mūsā. A fourth explanation is that prior to the rise of Islam, Christian Arabs had already adopted this form from Syriac. According to the Encyclopaedia of the Qurʼān, "Arabic often employs an initial 'ayn in words borrowed from Aramaic or Syriac and the dropping of the final Hebrew 'ayin is evidenced in the form Yisho of the 'koktiirkish' Manichaean fragments from Turfan."[2] While there is no irrefutable evidence that ʿĪsā was in use prior to Islam, there may have been a monastery named ʿĪsāniyya in Syria as early as 571 CE.[2] More details about this monastery are provided by Alphonse Mingana who wrote: "A monastery in South Syria, near the territory of the Christian Ghassanid Arabs, bore in A.D. 571 the name ʿIsaniyah, that is to say, 'of the followers of Jesus,' i.e. of the Christians.[3]
James A. Bellamy of the University of Michigan suggests that the name is a corruption of masiyyā (from Greek Messias). A year later he withdrew this interpretation suggesting instead that ʿIsa was a corruption of Masīḥ, which is itself derived from Yasuʿ. He suggests that it was both a copyist's error and an attempt to avoid the Arabic verb yasūʿu which has obscene connotations.[4] Josef Horovitz on the other hand holds that the Quranic form is meant to parallel Mūsā. Similar pairs are also frequently found in the Quran as well which supports this theory.[5]
Christoph Luxenberg's The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran equates the name with Hebrew Jesse. However, neitherYeshu nor Jesse begins with a pharyngeal consonant in their original Hebrew forms.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_(name)

Monday, December 31st 2012 at 4:35AM
Steve Williams

Steve, there are other names used to refer to Jesus other than the ones you and I have listed here. Isa and Esau are the same names used to refer to Jesus and are pronounced the same, just spelled differently.

If you talk to any Muslim from the Middle East who speaks Arabic and ask him about the prophet we call Jesus he will pronounce his name as "ee-saw."

For example like the words "Muslim" and "Moslem". Muslim is the Arabic spelling, and Moslem is the English spelling. They words are pronounced differently, but they still refers to the same subject...a Muslim. Think of it as saying TO-MAY-TO and TO-MY-TO (LOL)

Also, there is a Canadian folk singer named Jane Siberry who has also released material under the name Issa (with two s's) which she pronounces as "ee-saw."

Monday, December 31st 2012 at 4:12PM
Siebra Muhammad

That's interesting Siebra. I wouldn't have thought of Isa being connected to Esau, or the pronunciation being the same. I like these learning blogs.
Monday, December 31st 2012 at 4:32PM
Steve Williams